Dear Refiner's Fire...


The Shema does NOT prove that God exists in "three persons" and Yeshua was NOT Elohim!

First of all, when the Shema was received, it was understood as if Elohim is only one. It was also given, in contradiction to all the heathen religions which said there were many gods. Now it was revealed that there is only one God, one Elohim.

Furthermore, when words in Hebrew are stated in plural, it doesn't necessarily mean plural, it can also be used to really underline the meaning of the word. Example, Elohim is plural, and is used to underline His majesty and sovreignty. Elohim is also used to refer to other gods mentioned in the bible. Philistine god Dagon for example is referred to as the elohim of the philistees. He was without a doubt considered as one god.

About Yeshua's nature, and the trinity, this was not from Yeshua, nor the Apostles, nor from the Jewish believers, nor even among the Messianic "Gentile" synagogues which Sha'ul planted. It came from Gentiles who were formed by Greek philosophy. This happened around the time of Nicea and the times which led there. "Trinity" simply Gentile thinking.

How Gentiles and Jews reacted when Elohim maked miracles trough men:

When Yeshua invoked miracles the people praised Elohim, praising the awsome power Elohim had given to man.

When Sha'ul and Barnaba invoked miracles, the people thought that the gods had taken physical form, and wanted to give blood-sacrifices to Sha'ul and Barnaba.

It is a heathen thought that Elohim would take the shape of a man. Just consider what YHWH says through Navi S'muel: I am not a man so I could lie, not a son of man...

This means that Elohim can't be a man, therefore, it is impossible that Elohim was a man; therefore, it is impossible that Yeshua is/was Elohim.

Elohim needed a man to save mankind, not another Elohim.

The very foundation in the Torah is that Elohim is one. All other commandments rests on this truth. To imply that there are several persons, or mixed nature in Yeshua (100 % God, 10% man) is to mix in new components. That is not from the Torah.


Our Response....


In all honesty, we don't see in any Bible version that any other god besides YHWH is referred to as "Elohim". They are always referred to as "gods"....

The Bible tells us that Yeshua was ALL God and ALL man, the "perfecter of our faith" (Hebrews 5:1-10, Hebrews 12:2). (Please read Messianic Responses.)

Furthermore, if what you say above is true, then what are you going to do about the fact that Yeshua was foreshadowed throughout the Tanach (see Qualifications of Messiah)?

What are you going to do about the fact that He has fulfilled most of the 300+ Tanach prophecies single-handedly (see Accurate Messiah Prophecies)?

What are you going to do about the fact that He has fulfilled EXACTLY as outlined, the first four of the seven Biblical feasts? (see Biblical Feasts)?

Who did the rabbis say Mashiach would be? (See Who did the rabbis say Mashiach would be?)

Why did the Azazel goat's collar/ribbon NEVER AGAIN turn white AFTER Yeshua died on the cross? (See Azazel Goat, Talmudic Evidence for Messiah at 30 BCE, Messiah Revealed.)

What are you going to do about Isaiah 53 which DOES refer to Messiah? (Also see Dear Rabbi: Tell me about Jesus.)

YHWH is God and He can do anything He wants. If He can manifest Himself in the form of a burning bush, pillars of cloud and fire, three men at the Oaks of Mamre, and speak through a donkey - not to mention that He created the ENTIRE UNIVERSE and human beings - then WHY can't He manifest Himself in the form of a man, someone who was to come and offer Himself as our final Sin Sacrifice?