Challenging the "Evil Bible" website....

Evil asserts that its site is "designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible". One glance reveals how terribly blinded and deceived the webmaster and his followers are, as they come from a totally "carnal" view of the world and do not understand God or the Bible at all. However, because of their blatant attempts to try to debunk something they clearly cannot comprehend, The Refiner's Fire has taken on the responsibility to set the record straight and reveal the errors of this atheistic website.

Following are some of their assertions regarding God and the Bible, along with our comments to their various allegations. (For the sake of space, whenever possible, we have inserted our rebuttals directly into their allegations):

"Evil Bible's" Assertion:

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

  • 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: Perhaps that is because the "thousands of gods" are false. God gave us the choice to either believe in Him, or not. Through chosen prophets, He "breathed" the Bible into being, and most other world religions and their various denominations have borrowed Bible Scriptures in order to formulate their respective "religions". These prophecies were made thousands of years BEFORE Yeshua (whom Christians call Jesus) was born. No other "holy book" can make the same claim! For instance, the Muslim's Koran - which was spawned from the mind of the crimial/murderer Mohammed who "borrowed" its "scriptures" from the Tanach ("Old Testament") - claims no prophecies, and as a matter of fact, their entire religion didn't come about until 600 years AFTER Yeshua's death....

    Furthermore, hundreds of Bible prophecies have come true, and continue to come true before our very eyes. Right now, God is in the process of setting His end time scenario in place, as is evidenced by the record numbers of hurricanes; tornadoes; earthquakes; upsurge in various diseases caused by "beasts of the field"; by the unprecedented decadence in the world which is beginning to rival Noah's time (a time when God promised us that Yeshua would return); and the violence in the Middle East, right down to the fact that believers would be beheaded - And who are the only people in the universe who still behead? The Muslims - the very people who are holding the world hostage! Things are rapidly happening now, and most of the world isn't even aware: See Ten Recent Prophecies; Ten Prophecies Being Fulfilled Today; Ten End Time Prophecies; and 48 Dead-On Prophecies About Yeshua.

    No other "religion" can make this claim. Atheist: how do YOU explain this phenomena of so many fulfilled prophecies? How many "coincidences" could there possibly be? As a matter of fact, if you choose to debunk Old Testament prophecies that have come true, then at least be on the lookout for things that are happening today because YOU WILL BE AFFECTED, whether you choose to "believe" or not!

  • 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: Have you done an actual study to see whether or not we feel "dehumanized" or "insulted"? This is conjecture on your part. Scientists have never proven, beyond the proverbial "shadow of a doubt" that man "evolved". (See Reasons to Believe) The reason we believe that we were "created from dirt" is because God, our CREATOR, said so! (Yes, atheists couldn't care less about the Bible, but human scientists haven't been able to prove that we weren't created from dirt! The only theory they've got going is the false "evolution" - which has been DISPROVEN again and again!) Humans, with their limited mindsets, cannot possibly understand the things of God unless they have chosen to invite His Holy Spirit to help them discern these matters. Example: We see things from an "ant's perspective" - We cannot see the future or the grand scheme of things like God can with His "satellite perspective".

  • 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: Again - have you done a study to show that we actually "laugh" at polytheists? You keep making all these sweeping generalizations.... Christians erroneously believe in a "Triune God", but this is a Netzarim website, teaching the things Yeshua taught instead of man-made doctrines and ideas. At this website we teach that YHWH (Yahweh) is God; Yeshua (whom Christians call "Jesus") is His Divine Messiah, and that Torah (first five Books of the Bible which contain all of His Divine Instructions in Righteousness) is to be followed by ALL mankind. YHWH has many aspects (but He is NOT "three persons"). If He can create a universe with everything in it, He can surely reveal Himself in the form of a burning bush, pillars of cloud and fire, talk through a donkey, and come to earth in the form of a human being called Yeshua....See Miscellaneous Responses to the Traditional Jews

  • 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

    The Refiner's Fire Response: Firstly, Allah - who was spawned out of a religion 600 years AFTER Yeshua by a mere man called Mohammed. Allah is simply the Arabic word for "God." OUR GOD gave us His Name! Allah is a "god" who expects YOU to die for HIM (while Yeshua is a God Who died for YOU!) and Islam is a religion started by a murdering, thieving, epileptic pedophile....

    By the way, the Egyptian babies you speak of were not "slaughtered"; they simply died (read the scriptures!). YHWH ordered the death of all male firstborn in Egypt because of PHAROAH'S refusal to let God's Chosen People (the Jews) leave Egypt and their Egyptian bondage. If you'll remember, YHWH gave Pharoah NINE OTHER CHANCES before hard-headed Pharoah finally got the picture that GOD was in charge! NINE CHANCES!

    YHWH ordered the death of those people in the land of Caanan because - as He had told Moshe (Moses) long before - the land would be given to the people of Israel (the Jews). The fact was, at that time, anyone who wasn't an Israelite was considered to be a heathen/pagan because they did NOT worship the true Creator, and therefore, God had no allegiance to them. (Why should He???)

    You can rest assured that God would have spared a given city in Canaan if there had been 10 righteous people living in it - or at least save the righteous people as he did at Sodom and Gomorrah. Rahab and her family in Jericho were spared in Joshua 6, although the city and the other people were destroyed. So we can establish that either no one or a tiny handful of innocent people were killed during the course of the conquest of Canaan. Of course, any innocent, Godly people would have gone to heaven and not be vexed by the wickedness around them, so even that could be considered a "deliverance".

    So, "why kill these wicked people at all?" Consider this: if someone in your neighborhood occasionally killed children and sacrificed them on an altar, would you want this person to continue living there? Most people would decide that such a person deserves the death penalty. God responds the same way. The fact is that God ALWAYS finds out the truth (for instance, read the entire story of Sodom, and you will see) and then renders fairly in His execution of judgment. If you are FOR God, then you have nothing to worry about: Even in death you will be better off, for you will get to spend eternity with Him. If you are against God, tough luck, bub! (For more information, see Challenging Mainstream Christianity.)

    Ask yourself this: If someone was holding your family captive, abusing them in various ways, and making them perform slave labor - how many chances would YOU give before finally "zapping" the perpetrator?

The thing is, YHWH couldn't care less about people who don't belong to Him! HE is the Creator; HE offered Himself to mankind as our God. HE gave us the choice to accept or reject Him. If you reject Him, that's YOUR problem. Too bad, so sad!

Contrary to popular belief, Yeshua was sent NOT to redeem the world of atheists and wishy-washy people who are into "religion" and "religiosity" - but rather, ONLY the lost sheep of Israel!

Matthew 15: 24. But he answered and said to them, Have I not been sent except to the sheep, which went astray from the House of Israel? (AENT)

Who is "Israel"? ALL who accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

Numbers 15: 13 "'Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when he brings an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to the LORD. 14 For the generations to come, whenever an alien or anyone else living among you presents an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to the LORD, he must do exactly as you do. 15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the LORD: 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the alien living among you.'"

Please re-read the above in case you missed it: Any Torah-less non-Jew/Hebrew/Israelite who does not yet believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an "alien"/foreigner. However, if they do wish to accept Him, then they are to do exactly as those who are already belong to Him!

"Living among" means not necessarily physically, but rather, it refers to all those who have accepted the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They MUST be Torah observant, just like the Houses of Israel and Judah were with whom God made His New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:32)!

Romans 10: 12.And in this, it discriminates neither Jews nor Gentiles. For there is one, Master YHWH, over them all, who is abundantly generous towards every one that calls on him. 13. For everyone that will call on the name of Master YHWH, will have life.

Let's just be honest here, Mr. Chris Baba, creator of "Evil Bible": I'm not sure if you were ever a "Christian" but I read somewhere on your site (or in our correspondence) that you've read the Bible from cover to cover. If this is untrue and you've never read the Bible or you've simply picked apart certain scriptures, then everything and anything you could possibly say about God and the Bible is a moot point.

If you were a Christian at some point in your life, then you were among the myriad Christians who were too dense to comprehend what the Bible actually said IN CONTEXT, and this is why you created your atheist website....

What Christians have done is to ignore God's Torah (Instructions in Righteousness) without which we have NO blueprint for moral, holy living; and change the Name of our Savior along with the dates of His birth, death and resurrection, while ignoring His commanded Seventh Day Sabbath and the Biblical feasts (all of which foreshadow Yeshua!). In the meantime, they've come up with their own "holy days" of Christmas and Easter, both of which are steeped in paganism...

So, if you want to bash Christianity, GO FOR IT! But do NOT presume you may blast YHWH's Word with your limited, human mindset!

Not that this will mean anything to you because you're a dyed-in-the-wool atheist - but the Netzarim faith began when God/YHWH came to earth in the form of a SINLESS man called Yeshua (which means "YHWH is Salvation") who taught us about the things of God and then offered Himself as a Divine Sacrifice in order to afford wayward humans a place in heaven.

  • 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: And why should we have a problem believing that? A God who created the entire universe and everything in it can surely impregnate a human woman supernaturally (after all, He created her AND her womb) to enable her to give birth to someone who looks human (someone we could better identify with than, say, "a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night"). God's idea, as stated above, was to present Himself as a man so that we could better understand the One who was teaching us the things of God, how He wanted to be worshipped, and how we were to treat each other - and then to die on our behalf as the FINAL Sin Sacrifice.

    In case you didn't know, in Old Testament times, God ALWAYS demanded a blood sacrifice to atone for sins. Why? Who knows? He is God and can demand whatever He wants! This was a consequence we inherited from the disobedience of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. But God loved His creation enough to be willing to send an aspect of Himself to die in our places. Without the sacrifice of Yeshua, we would ALL be destined for hell - a place where we would be eternally separated from God; a place where we would be forced to live with God's evil enemy Satan, the ruler of this world who caused man to go astray in the first place....

    We had an atheist ask: Why don't you lend the same credence to other religions? What outside the Bible indicates that your God is any more likely than any other one? Our response: There is nothing else that was God-breathed! Every other "religion" in the world was either "borrowed" from the Bible, or totally made up by man. You either believe that or you don't! If you don't, then you will be really surprised when the last few prophecies come true - when the Antichrist appears to make a seven-year peace treaty with Israel, just when it looks like the world is on the brink of extinction! You will be really surprised that, after three and half years (just as the Bible said), he will show his true colors and force people to do as he says over the threat of BEHEADING.....

  • 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: There it is again, that unsubstantiated PERSONAL OPINION! Again - if GOD said it through His prophets of old, who consolidated His Word into a Book where hundreds of prophecies were fulfilled throughout the ages, and are continuing to be fulfilled even as you are reading this - then believers everywhere will take the "tribesmen's" word over the "findings" of scientists who are limited by human mindsets and knowledge. (See Reasons to Believe)

  • 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

    The Refiner's Fire Response: Yep, our God IS tolerant and loving! Why? Because the God of the Bible - the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - is the TRUE Creactor, while the rest of the "gods" are NOT. He has put up with man's disobedience for thousands of years, giving us chance after chance after chance. How many chances would you give your wayward kids who insisted on being drug addicts, drunks, sexual deviants, etc., and who consistently told you to get out of their lives because you, as a parent, are a moron who knows nothing? (But, just keep on shelling you the money, Dad! And give us a free place to live. Other than that, buzz off!) We're not sure what you mean by the statement, "though excluding those in all rival sects". Unless one believes in the shed blood of Yeshua HaMaschiyach, they will NOT end up in heaven; simple as that.

    An atheist asked: If God is so tolerant and loving, why even create us if that creation will doom MOST of us to eternal hellfire?

    Our response: Who knows why God created man? We're told that He nearly annihilated the earth once because we turned out different than expected. However, because of a few "righteous" he didn't destroy the earth. The thing is, He has gone above and beyond to show us His love, and He has even sent His "Son" to be our final Sin Sacrifice - and all you have to do is to believe and decide to live your life according to HIS rules. What more could He do? Again - you either believe in Him, or you don't. It's your choice. Since you're choosing to be an atheist, on Judgment Day, don't whine when you don't get to enter heaven!

  • 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: There certainly are a lot of "idiots" claiming to be believers. Those types, unfortunately, give the rest of us a "bad name". However, "idiots" rolling around on the floor and speaking in tongues are NOT "evidence" to prove God's existence or the Truth of His Word.

  • 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: And you got those statistics WHERE? Tell me, do you always give your kids everything they want? (Gimme some cocaine, Dad. I know I'm only five years old, but other parents are allowing their kids to do fun stuff....) Prayer always works, 100 percent of the time! Whether people get what they prayed for is another matter. The Bible tells us that God hears all prayers. The fact is, He decides how to answer each one. Those who have a personal relationship with God know this and accept His decisions.

  • 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

    The Refiner's Fire Response: Perhaps you are able to run circles around most Christians, but those of us who know YHWH and His Torah have insights you could never imagine! Please read our "Challenging Christianity" page and educate yourself about God's REAL Word!

Final thoughts:

Atheists are those who have no clue about God or the Bible - and they cannot see the universe as a created place. Normally, no matter how much evidence we can present, they will reject it. This is because those without the Ruach haKodesh (Holy Spirit) cannot possibly understand the things of God....

We could go on arguing with atheists ad nauseum, but the bottom line is: "Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still." Whether or not they realize it, they serve satan.

Matthew 5:10-12: 10 "How blessed are those who are persecuted because they pursue righteousness! for the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs. 11 How blessed you are when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of vicious lies about you because you follow me! 12 Rejoice, be glad, because your reward in heaven is great - they persecuted the prophets before you in the same way.

The groundless, proofless suppositions and personal opinions above show exactly how blinded atheists are to the Truth. The Bible tells us in 1 Corinthians 2:14: "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

"Evil Bible" has made hundreds of allegations - all of which can readily be disproved. The Refiner's Fire isn't going to respond to each and every so-called "proof" because, the bottom line is, we just don't have the space nor the time. Suffice it say that this column alone shows ample proof that the "Evil Bible" website doesn't have a clue.....

From a human viewpoint, the Bible makes no sense whatsoever. It seems to be a series of fairy tales and superficial writings that contradict each other. The Bible is like the tip of an iceberg; one has to dive beneath the surface in order to see the actual enormity of it to "get the big picture". The Bible is like an anthill in the desert: From the outside, it doesn't look like much; it's just a hill of dirt with myriad ants randomly dashing about. But take a shovel and dig down deep, and you'll see sophisticated roadways, storage and dwelling places, and nurseries - along with indisputable evidence of an intelligent, orderly society where everyone has his place, from the queen on down to the least slave....

God TELLS us that, without the Holy Spirit, no one can understand the things of God because they spring from a SPIRITUAL viewpoint. It is no wonder then, that unbelievers cannot grasp the Bible's true meanings....Unbelievers have no concept as to the enormity of God's power and His Word - the very Word that breathed the universe into being!

It is clear that the "Evil Bible" webmaster desperately wants to disprove God and the Bible. It seems he has never truly bothered to try to understand the Bible; as a matter of fact, it appears as if he simply decided he needed fodder to support his atheistic viewpoint, and consequently set out to find as many Scriptures as possible that seemed nonsensical or appeared to contradict themselves.

In other words, because Chris Baba can't understand God, he decided to single-handedly take Him on; hoping to squash out of existence something that has been around since the beginning of time - using only his limited human mindset, sarcasm, and plenty of whacky and uninformed personal opinions!

Unfortunately for this lost webmaster, he will be "talking out of the other side of his mouth" on Judgment Day. That day is coming, whether one believes in God, or not! All the events of the world today point to the fact that we are living in the end times. What will the "Evil Bible" webmaster do when the Antichrist forces everyone to take the Mark of the Beast, without which no one will be able to buy or sell? Where will the "Evil Bible" webmaster hide when two-thirds of the world are destroyed and most of the waters are poisoned? Whom will he turn to for food and shelter? Probably to one of us believers who have been preparing for this time....

Colossians 2: 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

The Bible tells us not to waste too much time on hard-core unbelievers, for they REFUSE to understand and will NEVER see the Kingdom of God. God has given us His pearls of wisdom, and we are not to waste them on those who refuse to honor Him:

Matthew 7:6 - "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

This life is but a "blink of an eye" and our true reward will be in heaven to live at God's feet forever. That is where believers will be for eternity. Wonder what the atheists will be doing?

Revelation 22:14-16: How blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and go through the gates into the city! 15 Outside are the homosexuals, those who misuse drugs in connection with the occult, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. 16 "I, Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communites. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.