The Refiner's Fire was ignored recently when we attempted to contact JesusIsSavior.com to challenge some of their off-the-mark teachings. We are therefore posting our challenges on the Internet to serve as a warning to the world that this website contains several weird and unproven assertions, along with blatant anti-Semitism and an anti-Torah stance.

Dear David,

You have a lot of wonderful articles on your website and, while I agree with most of them, there are some that I, as a Jew, find offensive.

Your site proclaims:

"We do NOT hate anyone here at Jesus-is-Savior.com; on the contrary, we LOVE people very much. The whole purpose of this website is to HELP people. We do not discriminate in any way. We simply present the truth of God's Word and expose those who seek to distort, confuse, and rebel against the truth."

That is wonderful news, but unfortunately, some of your articles show otherwise. For instance, you claim to "love the Jews" yet you are calling Judaism Satanic. If Judaism is Satanic, then so is Christianity as it was borne out of Judaism. Plus, by telling the world that Judaism is Satanic, you're saying that Yahweh is Satanic since He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - whom Christians believe in as well! The Jews BELIEVE in Yahweh; He is their God! Presently, they just don't yet believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah. Instead of blasting them as a "Satanic religion" try praying for them, instead!

Not only do you speak out against Judaism, but you cite an article by that raving anti-Semite Texe Marrs who is totally against Israel and the Jews! Have you checked the Bible to see what GOD said about Israel and the Jews? If so, why are you posting anti-Semitic garbage?

Let's discuss your allegation that Judaism is NOT based upon the Word of God:

Comments at "Jesus is Savior": "I double-dog dare anyone to show me the gospel of Jesus Christ in Judaism. It doesn't not exist in Judaism. Judaism DENIES that Jesus is the Messiah at all. Judaism DENIES the deity of Christ. Judaism doesn't even teach that their false messiah will be deity. Clearly, JUDAISM is NOT based upon the Word of God. The Bible (New Testament or Old) declares that Jesus Christ is the Saviour, the ONLY way to heaven."

The Messianic Response: Above, you state "The Bible (New Testament or Old) declares that Jesus Christ is the Saviour"; yet, at the start of this same paragraph you said, "I double-dog dare anyone to show me the gospel of Jesus Christ in Judaism. It doesn't not exist in Judaism" (I believe you meant "It doesn't exist"; not "doesn't not exist"). Anyway, do you realize you've just contradicted yourself? Do you realize that "Judaism" includes the entire "Old Testament"? Do you realize that Yeshua was foreshadowed throughout the Old Testament - but the eyes of most Jews simply haven't been opened to that fact, yet? Does that make Judaism a Satanic religion? We, at The Refiner's Fire highly suggest you STUDY Judaism to see what it's all about before attempting to force your skewed opinion on the world!

FACT: Jews only have HALF the Bible - as do the Christians! If both sides could get their act together, they would realize that the entire Bible is a continuous revelation of God. What a blessing that would be!

Comments at "Jesus is Savior": "Judaism is Satanic! Judaism is a lie of the devil because it denies that Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah). I will not speak quietly or beat-around-the-bush concerning any doctrine or belief that diminishes my Friend, Creator, God and Saviour...Jesus Christ! Jesus is Almighty God according to the Bible. Judaism denies the Bible. Judaism teaches damnable heresies."

The Messianic Response: Judaism is the ORIGINAL "religion" that came about BECAUSE God made His Covenant with Abraham. HOW can that be "satanic"? How can that be a lie of the devil? Ask yourself the following:

Why did God send Yeshua? (Yeshua is Jesus' given, Hebrew name which means "Salvation". "Jesus", on the other hand, doesn't mean anything.) In the "Old Testament" God ALWAYS required sin sacrifices. Because man could never "get right" with God, He ultimately sent Yeshua to be the final SIN Sacrifice. In essence, He sent us an aspect of Himself in the flesh, so that man could better identify with God than - for instance - with a burning bush, or pillars of cloud and fire, etc. This aspect, the "Son of God" showed man how to worship and obey god by being a Torah-observant, tallit-wearing, seventh-day Sabbath keeping, feast keeping JEW! This "Son of God" VERBALIZED the fact that He did not come to abolish Torah, but to koom (Hebrew = establish/confirm); Matthew 5:17. That means we are to be TORAH-OBSERVANT!!!

Since Christians have decided Torah (God's teaching and instruction) has been abolished, perhaps Christianity is of the devil? Christians are, after all, adhering to only HALF the Bible....

By insisting Judaism is "satanic" you are saying Jesus is also a "lie of the devil".

Comments at "Jesus is Savior": "I believe we should be tolerant with others, but NEVER with sin or false teachings. If telling someone else that they are wrong is intolerance, than I'm intolerant. I care enough about people to be intolerant. I care enough about your soul to tell you boldly that religion will send you to hell. You had better get Jesus Christ. Salvation is NOT found in any religion, it is found only in simple child-like faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Who died upon the cross for our wickedness."

The Messianic Response: Absolutely! Unfortunately, you are adhering to only half the Bible which makes you just as incomplete as the Jews who don't believe in Jesus....

If Jesus was Torah-observant, why aren't YOU? By ignoring what HE said and did, you aren't any better than the Catholics who devised a religion that didn't even resemble what our Savior taught!

Comments at "Jesus is Savior": "Judaism is heresy, an errant philosophy. Don't get made at me, Get mad at God. God called you an ANTICHRIST and a LIAR! I'm just agreeing with God. I am bold to declare that I am a born-again Christian who's 100% faith is upon the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and salvation. I was saved when I was 12 years of age. Thank God for the free gift of salvation."

The Messianic Response: Why should we get mad at God? He's the one who told Abraham who He is and how He wants to be worshiped! Therefore, YOU are teaching heresey and "errant philosophy"! You might have "been saved" at age 12, but you haven't got a clue about what the Bible actually says! Before you go around tooting your own horn, perhaps you should re-read the Bible WITH the help of the Holy Spirit who would surely show you the error of your ways because as a Christian, you not only ignore God's original teaching and instructions; you also celebrate paganistic man-made holidays such as Christmas and Easter, both of which we CHALLENGE you to find in the Bible!

And before you try to insinuate that I'm "under the law", please learn what "the law" actually is. Please learn a little about those Biblical feasts you seem to think have been abolished - when, in fact, Yeshua has so far only fulfilled the FIRST FOUR of the seven!

That's all part of JUDAISM, my friend - and you're trying to debunk it! Before you go around disrespecting Jews and Judaism, first LEARN what it's all about.

As for your conspiracy theories that no plane hit the Pentagon, please try talking to someone who was THERE that day - perhaps THEN you can learn the truth!

In one of your articles you said, "Thank God for Alex Jones". Do you realize this guy is pushing ridiculous conspiracy theories down the world's collective throat suggesting our own government killed its own people? Ask Jones if he was AT the Pentagon the day the plane hit! Ask him if he was he at the World Trade Center when the buildings went down! The man is nothing more than a sensationlist and an alarmist doing whatever he can to earn a buck! Funny that you're willing to include on your site the slanted rants of Alex Jones, yet you don't offer any opposing views - especially the views of those who were actually there who could tell you exactly what happened; nor do you show any actual REPORTS on the findings! No - you're ready to jump on the bandwagon someone's OPINIONS, thereby exonerating the Muslims whom GOD is using to usher in His "end times" scenario: See also: Wake Up!

Revelation 20:4 tells us many believers would be beheaded - not shot, stabbed, hanged, or choked - but BEHEADED! Who are the ONLY people who still behead? This was foretold 2,000 years ago, and you are trying to douse God's Word?

David, I sincerely pray you will consider the things I've said. If it's true you "love everyone", then please remove your weird sensationalistic articles and unkind words about Judaism, as they clearly show that you haven't got a good grasp on reality or on the Bible. Those two drawbacks render your entire website useless.

Shalom, Neumann