Two Witness Ministries: "Yeshua did not pre-exist"


The Refiner's Fire was recently included in a "everybody" mailing list from Two Witness Ministries in apparent effort to push their theological agenda on others. After briefly perusing their website, we discovered that the "two witnesses" are conspiracy theorists who believe themselves to have cornered the market on Biblical Truth, although their articles are mostly opinion-based. Below is a sampling of their correspondence.

Shalom all,

King James Version was purposely mistranslated by Gnostic pagan Baal worshippers of Rome which included leaving OUT Yahweh's Name! Yet, the Savior was not a pagan Greek god. Pre-existence is NOT a Torah concept. The Trinity doctrine of 1 John 5:7 is admittedly fraudulent by scholars. Greek passage was added in 500 ce.

"ELOHIM" is a pagan title from the "E-Source" writings from the apostate Northern Kingdom of Israel. Masoretic Text is NOT a pure "J-Source" document!! Request the article, "WHY YHWH WARNS AGAINST ELOHIM" thru the website: www.TwoWitnessMinistries.com

The First Seal Opened on 9-11...

The Truth is now revealed! (Dan.12:4)

Shalom in Yahsha's Name,
Brother Mark & Sister Novella

In a later email, the names of "the witnesses" suddenly changed, as did their tone:

The reason you have no understanding is because you reject the Name of the Creator Yahweh (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Heb#3068) which was replaced 6,823 times from the Old Covenant itself! You support this criminal suppression and transgression of the Third Commandment!

"I am Yahweh, that is My Name, and my majesty I will not give to another..." Isa.42:8

The name of the Meshiakh "the Branch" of the lineage of "King David" was prophesied and given in Zecharyah 6 and is Strong's Concordance Hebrew #3091 composed of two Hebrew roots "Yah-" (#3068) and "-sha" (#3467) meaning: Yahweh Saves/Salvation.

You have rejected the Name above all names!! (Acts 4:12) and therefore rejected Salvation. Your ministry is a sham and a fraud that teaches the traditions and lies of the Church of Babylon! You are a lover of the Talmudic Edomites, that's why you defend their apostasy! Your blasphemy will be judged. We will list your website as a False Prophet site!

Yahweh's Witnesses have spoken - in Yahsha's name.
Sir Beniah & Sister Chadashyah


It is clear that the "two witnesses" are trying very hard to correct the masses in order to bring us to their way of thinking. Unfortunately, their concept of the Bible is way off base and when we at The Refiner's Fire attempted to discuss this with them, rather than to show Biblical proof of their allegations and attempt to carry on a real exchange, they totally ignored ALL our comments and basically kept repeating the mantra that we are "rejecting the Name of the the Creator Yahweh." (Never mind that our entire website refers to YHWH (pronounced "Yahweh.)

Among our comments in this very short exchange with "Two Witnesses" was that "Yasha" is linguistically speaking not the Name of our precious Savior whose Hebrew Name is Y'shua (Yeshua, Yahshua - however one wishes to transliterate )! One cannot remove the "vav" (which is an "oo" sound in this case), and maintain the meaning of the Name which is "YHWH is Salvation." Plus, "Yasha" smacks dangerously of "Yeshu" which means, "May his name be blotted out"....

And their insistence that "9/11 opened the first seal" is also based on opinion. Why would 9/11 have kicked off the first seal? When the Book of Revelation is read in context, it is clear that the world is about to enter the Sixth Seal as mankind's woes began way before September 11, 2001! Man has been suffering since Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden, enduring famines, sickness, death, wars and violence, and untold horrors that had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11 (see the Book of Revelation, First through the Sixth Seals.)

It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest Yeshua didn't pre-exist, because the Bible clearly reveals that He did:

John 1: 1. In the beginning[1] was the Miltha[2]. And that Miltha was with Elohim. And Elohim was that Miltha. 2. This was with Elohim in the beginning. 3. Everything existed through His hands,[3] and without Him, not even one thing existed of the things which have existed. 4. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5. And that light shines in the darkness,[4] and the darkness did not overtake it. 6. There was a man who was sent from Elohim whose name was Yochanan. 7. This man came for a witness that he might testify concerning the light that all might believe through his hand. 8. He was not the light; rather that he might bear witness concerning the light. 9. For the light was of truth, that which shines on all who come into the world. 10. He was in the world, and the world existed by His hand and the world did not know Him. 11. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But those who did receive Him He gave to them authority that they might be the sons of Elohim, those who have believed in His name. 13. Those who neither by blood nor by the will of the flesh nor by the will of a man, rather were begotten by Elohim. 14. And the Miltha[5] became flesh and dwelt among us and we saw His glory, the glory as the Only-Begotten who is from the Father who is full of grace and truth. (Aramaic English New Testament/AENT)

Footnotes:

[1] The phrase B'resheet aytohi hwa miltha breaks a most basic rule of Aramaic grammar by combining a feminine noun (miltha) with two masculine verbs for "to be" (aytohi, hwa). This is unheard of in Aramaic literature other than right here in this passage and in 1 John. This shows YHWH has male and female "images/spirits" even though YHWH remains a He. It may also be a midrash on Isaiah 11:1-2, which describes the Spirit of YHWH descending on Mashiyach using both masculine and feminine suffixes. This is not something easily translated, let alone when it occurs within the first four words.

[2] Miltha has no direct English equivalent. It can mean 'Word', 'Manifestation', 'Instance' or 'Substance' among other things. In this context, it may best be left untranslated. (PY)

[3] Literal Aramaic reading; "through his hands" indicates the Word as a creative force, like a sculptor working under the orders of a king. See Psalm 33:6; Isaiah 44:24; 66:1, 2.

[4] Aramaic wordplay. Nohra b'nshokha menhar (light in the darkness that shines) is a deliberate mirror-reversal of menhar-nohra (menorah), which marks the conception of the light of the world at Hanukkah. This puts the birth of Mashiyach nine months from Hanukkah, during the fall feasts; many point to the first day of Feast of Tabernacles for the date of Y'shua's birth.

[5] Miltha refers to the "Manifestation" of the Ruach haKodesh within Mashiyach. The physical body of Mashiyach is not the Word of YHWH, but his words and actions demonstrate the Will and Word of YHWH, which upholds observance of Torah. However, Christo-Pagans like Marcion and Constantine taught that Y'shua's body and spirit manifest a different "word" that did away with Torah. The Word of YHWH was substituted with dispensational and replacement "theologies," which are very popular among Christians.


The entire chapter of John 17 shows that He pre-existed!

John 17: 1. Y'shua spoke these things and he lifted up his eyes to Heaven and said My Father the hour has come. Glorify your Son so that your Son might glorify you. 2. Just as you have given him authority over all flesh that whomever You have given him, he will give to him life that is eternal. 3. Now this is life that is eternal, that they might know You, that You are the Elohim of Truth, and he alone whom You have sent, the Mashiyach Y'shua. 4. I have glorified You on earth. The work that You have given to me to do I have finished it. 5. And now glorify me my Father with You in that glory that I had with You from before the world was. 6. I have made Your Name known to the sons of those men whom You had given to me from the world. They were Yours and You have given them to me, and they have kept Your Word. 7. Now they have known that everything that you have given to me I have given to them and they received them. 8. And they know that I have truly proceeded from your presence, and they believe that You have sent me. 9. And I plead for them. It is not for the world I plead; rather, for those whom you have given to me because they are Yours. 10. And everything that is mine is Yours, and Yours is mine and I am glorified by them. 11. Henceforth, I will not be in the world, and these are in the world. And I am coming to Your presence. Kadosh Father, keep them by your Name, that which you have given to me, that they may be one as We are. 12. I was with them while I was in the world. I have kept them in your Name; those whom you have given to me, I have kept. And not a man of them is lost except for the son of perdition, that the Scriptures might be fulfilled. 13. And now I come to Your presence, and these things I speak in the world that my joy may be full in them. 14. I have given to them Your Word and the world hates them because they are not of the world as I am not of the world. 15. It is not that I plead You take them from the world, but that You might keep evil from them. 16. For they are not from the world, as I am not from the world. 17. Father sanctify them by your Truth, for Your Word is Truth. 18. As you have sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19. And I fear for their sakes. I sanctify myself so that they may also be sanctified by Truth. 20. And it is not only for the sake of these I plead, but also for the sake of those who will believe in me by their word. 21. That all of them may be One; as You my Father are in me and I in You, that they also may be One in Us, that the world may believe that You have sent me. 22. And the glory that You have given to me I have given to them that they may be One as we are One. 23. I in them and You in me, that they may be perfected into One and that the world may know that You have sent me, and that You have loved them as also You have loved me. 24. Father, those whom You have given to me, I desire that where I am they might also be with me that they might see my glory that You have given to me because You have loved me from before the foundations of the world. 25. My Just Father, the world has not known You, but I have known You. And these that You know You have sent me. 26. And I have made Your Name known to them. And I will confess it so that the love with which You have loved me might be in them, and I might be in them.

And who could possibly misunderstand Colossians 1?

Colossians 1: 10. That you may walk as is right and may please Elohim with all good works, and may yield fruits, and grow in the knowledge of Elohim; 11. and may be strengthened with all strength, according to the greatness of his glory in all patience and long suffering; 12. and may, with joy, give thanks to Elohim the Father who has fitted us for a portion of the inheritance of the Set Apart believers in light; 13. and has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us to the Kingdom of his beloved Son 14. by whom we have redemption and forgiveness of sins: 15. who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim and the first-born of all creatures: 16. and by him was created everything that is in heaven and on earth, all that is visible and all that is invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; everything was through him and was created by[1] him: 17. and he was prior to all, and by him every thing exists. 18. And he is the head of the body the Assembly; as he is the head and first-born from among the dead, that he might be the first in all things. 19. For it pleased (the Father) that in him all fullness should dwell; 20. and by him, to reconcile all things to himself; and through him he has pacified, with the blood of his stake, both (those) on earth and those in heaven.[2]

Footnotes:

[1] The literal Aramaic reading is by him, whereas Greek and English texts have for him. Mashiyach is the creative Word through which everything was made (Psalm 33:6, John 1:1-5, Hebrews 1:1-5). The common Aramaic idiom here and in John is "through his hands" meaning as the Word, Mashiyach crafted all things according to YHWH's blueprints. Mashiyach Y'shua emerges as the Word from YHWH's breath and command and, as such, was with Him in the beginning (John 17:1-11).

[2] Here is one of the most stunning mystical parallels in all of Paul’s writings! Not only does Resha perform the exact same function of Keter by being the attribute (sefira) that has all the others inside of it (before they emerge), hence, "by whom the whole body is constructed"; but Resha dovetails with Keter in another amazing way. By "standing with the joints and members" Paul is showing a very clear understanding of the sefirotic tree forming the spiritual blueprint of man, or Adam Qadmon. It is no coincidence, then, that this same title applies to Mashiyach, whom Paul upholds as the maker of all things. However, as other attributes fold out of Keter, we find the lower but also important spheres of learning in terms of wisdom and understanding.


Even after we sent the "Two Witnesses" Biblical proof, Mark challenged not on our comments, but rather, he sent us more links to his website and requested our mailing address so he could send us "FREE complimentary teaching materials on the pagan title "ELOHIM" (which is NOT the Creator's name...) and other information."

He also never responded to our comments about the "stuff" on his website that IN NO WAY lines up with the Scriptures - including that George Bush can be seen in Bible prophecy and other "conspiracy theory" articles that suggest that "the White House is the White Horse" and that the US government sponsored terrorism (see their Contact Us page). Be sure to notice their "love offering" requests, such as the revelation of the "666 in Jesus name" for just $20.

The internet teems with websites like "Two Witnesses" who seem to have "just enough truth" to make themselves sound plausible. Our prayer is that all believers would be knowledgeable and discerning enough to keep from being fooled by the likes of Mark and Novella. We need to remember that ANYTHING we see, read or hear must line up with the Scriptures - or else it simply isn't of God. Satan is everywhere; he knows how THE BOOK ends, and he is knocking himself out to keep us away from YHWH and Biblical Truth!